Reason

I feel there needs to be a punctuation at the end of that title… I just have no idea what it should be. Read on… you’ll understand why… I hope.

As of late, I’ve been feeling remarkably persecuted by society. So many things, which should be (and used to be) conversations, have been turned into blatant bullying and righteous sermonizing based on presumptions of unquestionable correctness.

First and foremost, religion… particularly my personal religious beliefs have repeatedly come under unwarranted attack from people who claim to be non-biased and open minded. I could find humor in the obvious irony if I weren’t so repeatedly offended by people who assume I must be stupid or mentally damaged simply because I believe in something that no one has tangible proof of. I have never once made a silly argument like, “you can’t see air, so God could certainly exist”; I have never tried to talk someone out of atheism or into Christianity; My conversations about my faith are always topic related or invited by the individual; So why then must pseudo intellectuals use faulty understandings of philosophy (I dare not accuse them of using logic) to repeatedly insult and debase me… and worse why do they feel the need to, in a sense, conquer my religious beliefs as if they were a disease? [That isn’t even a rhetorical question. If one you anti-religion individuals out there would care to answer, I promise not to delete your comments.] I am on a daily basis shocked by the general feeling around me that atheism, or more specifically, anti-theism, is the one and only reasonable belief and that many atheists feel it is their duty to stamp out faith. Have a look at this video. The feeling is very subtle, but unmistakable.

“We are winning against the religious crazies.” Other than having the right and the freedom to believe that there is no god absent persecution and government restriction… I’m not sure what battle it is that you have to win… and he clearly doesn’t mean the war for his rights.

Over the last couple years I have also been repeatedly eviscerated, even by members in my own family, for having conservative political views. Conversations where I can intelligently debate and even learn from people of opposing views are fewer and farther between. Instead, they mostly devolve into attempting to bait me into making some sort of bigoted statement as if being conservative minded inherently makes me hate anyone who isn’t white, heterosexual, speaks English and is already a member of the middle class. Watching any news in recent weeks has on occasion actually made me physically ill. I simply can’t believe that we’ve got to a place in society where we assume someone who thinks differently than ourselves is simply an evil individual bent on self aggrandizing destruction and death. I used to think these feelings of mine were simply because I paid too much attention to the news… but I’ve been going to work earlier to avoid the news in the morning and finding more interesting activities to avoid the news in the evening and the feeling has simply gotten worse from interacting with people around me. Agree or disagree with me all you like, but can’t we have a thoughtful exchange of ideas instead of force feeding a personal agenda down the throats of people who think there is a better way?

Another issue I’ve been having: why is being a white, middle-class male looked down upon today? It seems every other possible combination of sex, ethnicity, social background and any other qualifiers to you’d like to put on have their own advocacy groups and anyone advocating for the “white man” (or actual fairness) gets immediately shouted down as an oppressive person. I think my favorite example of this mentality (without making comment of the actual incident) is the Trevon Martin shooting. In order to give a feeling of racial bias (or at least leave the door open to the idea of it), Zimmerman was labeled a “white Hispanic” by the media (we also shouldn’t forget the clear bias in the editing of the 911 tape by NBC). Never before have I heard that term. Hell, every time I’ve seen the classification for white people, the question is are you “White (non-Hispanic) or Hispanic” and now all of a sudden, when we need someone to look as bad as possible… we label them white… The argument could be made, although very poorly, that they were just trying to be factually correct since one of Zimmerman’s parents was in fact white… I guess that means Obama is the country’s first White-Black president, although, I don’t see that one making the headlines any time soon.

I have fairly thick skin and I’m definitely not crying at night over these things, but I’m having a hell of a time ignoring it. While most of my friends aren’t belligerent, a shockingly high percentage of them seem to share the near militant views that it takes to be so aggressively offensive and its making it damn hard to be open with some of them, or even have a desire to talk to them some days. So, in an attempt to preempt future assaults on my intelligence, allow me to say this… You will never insult me out of my views and beliefs. Since it seems I’ll be firmly on the side of the minority (yes I realize only 30% of America identifies as having no religious belief — bite me) for a while, I can take some solace from Mark Twain: “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it’s time to pause and reflect.”

Archangel / April 18, 2012 / Personal

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  1. eclipse - April 19, 2012 @ 6:57 am

    Well, first of all I’ll say I’m sorry you feel that way. It’s certainly not the intent, at least from me. I hope that you don’t think I attack you. I can’t speak for others, but I enjoy the conversations on Facebook because you’re interesting. There are so many discussions on this topic that end with “I believe cause bible told me too mhmm” after 2 comments. Why an intelligent person believes this kind of thing is an unknown to me, and I am curious about such things. My opinion about you isn’t going to change, you’re my friend and I care about you so don’t worry about that. In fact, it’s because I care that I put effort into it.

    Do I think religion is a disease? Well, yes; kind of. More like a meme. Do I want it gone from the world? Yes. But I don’t want to outlaw it or say you can’t do what you want. What I want is to convince everyone to put it behind them by themselves. I want people to realize that they can get all the benefits of religion without it, and not have to suffer the consequences of it. (From simple opportunity cost such as time and money spent in church, to extremists using it to manipulate others politically) Will atheism solve all the world’s problems? No, but it’s one step closer, imho.

    No one likes generalizations and stereotypes, but when you have Santorum calling for women to carry dead fetuses to term for no reason other than he can find some sentence in an old book, some people are going to call religious thought “crazy”. You get offended by Thunderfoot making a youtube video, but Bill O’Reily is on national TV calling atheists that every day. Jessica Ahlquist’s state senator called her (a 16 year old girl) an ‘evil little thing’ after she fought to uphold the constitution. The reason I’m getting more outspoken about it, is because I feel the same way you do. It’s insulting. Thunderfoot shouldn’t call religious people “crazies”, but at least he’s just some guy on Youtube. We have congress members doing the same thing towards non-christians every day.

    Who has faulty philosophy is a matter of opinion, and you’re free to believe whatever you want as long as you don’t infringe the rights of others. Feel free to convince me it’s faulty! Religion in society matters though, and it is a battle. It’s taking place in our schools’ science classrooms, which will hurt our ability to compete in a scientific world. It’s taking place in our domestic and foreign policy. And it hurts our own citizens, who feel just as oppressed just as you do when “it’s crammed down our throat”. That’s why the ONLY answer is a secular (indifferent and un-acting) government (mostly talking to James here heh).

    The rest of your post I basically agree with. I’d love to vote for a fiscally conservative, non-religious (at least secular) candidate. There don’t seem to be any of those though. Have you ever read Ayn Rand?

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  2. Archangel - April 19, 2012 @ 8:27 am

    From you, Mike, I rarely if ever feel outright assaulted. I enjoy conversations with you because you make it a point to never outright insult someone. You walk away from conversations as they get to that point because you, like me, know once a conversation becomes that negative there is little value in continuing it.

    However, I would like you to understand that the simple belief that religion is and must be flawed and that anyone who believes is either stupid or has made a grievous error in judgement that you think needs to be corrected somehow is inherently insulting. At least Christians (again, I have never tried to force my beliefs on anyone) can point to the Bible and say God told them to evangelize and convert others. Atheists and anti-theists have made a conscious decision to go out and right what their world view dictates as a flaw. Its an awesome thing if you can discuss your beliefs and through that openness bring someone closer to what your view of the truth is, but taking the point of view that everyone else is wrong and must be fixed is well… rather “Christian”, wouldn’t you say?

    My point of the Thunderfoot video was that he called religious people crazies. I expect that from people like himself. What I take offense to is the implication that there is a war to be won against people of faith. Not simply for the right to believe nothing in peace… but apparently a war to stamp out religious belief.

    Basically… my post isn’t a whiny complaint trying to get people to take their toys and go home. I can’t learn from you unless you share your thoughts with me. What I’m looking for (again, this post wasn’t targeted at you), is for a return to civility. It would be great if all of society would actually take this to heart and tone down the partisanship and polarization. It would be great if our president and presidential candidates didn’t have surrogates running around doing their best to polarize things even more. However, if my circle of family and friends can make the effort to not assume I’m stupid or broken for my ideas and beliefs and have conversations with me that aren’t insulting and accusatory… I think we’d all be better off… and maybe we can start affecting a larger social change by simply leading by example (although, I’m not really sure society works that way).

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  3. eclipse - April 19, 2012 @ 10:33 am

    I would say that the desire to go out and “help” others by showing them what one thinks is “human”, not just Christian. I think it’s a form of empathy, trying to help each other. People will respond differently to different approaches, and sometimes we need to be in the right time and place to really understand one another.

    I don’t think we can choose what we believe. I think our beliefs are derived from our experience. You can’t help what you feel, and you can’t help what you believe. You either do or you do not. Certainly, our experiences differ and thus our beliefs are different as well. I have found that we are all pretty similar. We want the best lives for ourselves and our loved ones. The problem is always effective communication.

    I agree that our culture is becoming more and more distant and reluctant to discuss & solve our problems; to use communication. It’s in the movies and political theater… The man of action is the one who saves the day, not the man of civil discourse. I do try to remember this in discussions, but I am human as well 🙂

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  4. Brian D. Buckley - April 23, 2012 @ 7:52 pm

    Hey Adam!

    I like the distinction you made between “atheist” and “anti-theist.” I lean toward atheist myself (technically agnostic), but I really hate it when certain atheists – like Richard Dawkins – take a condescending view toward Christians. Vice versa, for that matter. Sorry you’ve had trouble with that lately. Just remember, we’re not all that way!

    Same goes for politics. While my own views lean more liberal than yours, anyone who can’t have a civil conversation about this stuff is missing the point of democracy.

    Regarding the term “Hispanic” – it actually does not refer to a particular race, but rather to a cultural background. Comparing “Hispanic” to white or black is comparing apples and oranges, so “white Hispanic” is a much more reasonable term than “white-black.” That may account for some of the usage you’ve encountered.

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